For some reason the idea of an actual historical Jesus rarely confronts the religious believer. The power of “blind faith” has so forcefully driven the minds of most believers, and even apologetic scholars, that the question of reliable evidence gets obscured by tradition, religious subterfuge, and outrageous claims. I will give you good reasons why so you can make an informed answer, without having to read too much.
ALL CLAIMS OF JESUS DERIVE FROM HEARSAY ACCOUNTS
No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. All claims about Jesus derive from writings of other people. There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus. Devastating to historians, there occurs not a single contemporary writing that mentions Jesus. All documents about Jesus got written well after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors, people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings. Although one can argue that many of these writings come from fraud or interpolations, I will use the information and dates to show that even if these sources did not come from interpolations, they could still not serve as reliable evidence for a historical Jesus, simply because all sources derive from hearsay accounts
Hearsay means information derived from other people rather than on a witness’ own knowledge. Courts of law do not generally allow hearsay as testimony, and nor does honest modern scholarship. Hearsay provides no proof or good evidence, and therefore, we should dismiss it.
The most “authoritative” accounts of a historical Jesus come from the four canonical Gospels of the Bible. Note that these Gospels did not come into the Bible as original and authoritative from the authors themselves, but rather from the influence of early church fathers, especially the most influential of them all: Irenaeus of Lyon who lived in the middle of the second century. Many heretical gospels existed by that time, but Irenaeus considered only some of them for mystical reasons. He claimed only four in number; according to Romer, “like the four zones of the world, the four winds, the four divisions of man’s estate, and the four forms of the first living creatures– the lion of Mark, the calf of Luke, the man of Matthew, the eagle of John (see Against the Heresies). The four gospels then became Church cannon for the orthodox faith. Most of the other claimed gospel writings were burned, destroyed, or lost.” [Romer]
Elaine Pagels writes: “Although the gospels of the New Testament– like those discovered at Nag Hammadi– are attributed to Jesus’ followers, no one knows who actually wrote any of them.” [Pagels, 1995]
Not only do we not know who wrote them, consider that none of the Gospels existed during the alleged life of Jesus, nor do the unknown authors make the claim to have met an earthly Jesus. Add to this that none of the original gospel manuscripts exist; we only have copies of copies.
The consensus of many biblical historians put the dating of the earliest Gospel, that of Mark, at sometime after 70 C.E., and the last Gospel, John after 90 C.E. [Pagels, 1995; Helms]. This would make it some 40 years after the alleged crucifixion of Jesus that we have any Gospel writings that mention him! Elaine Pagels writes that “the first Christian gospel was probably written during the last year of the war, or the year it ended. Where it was written and by whom we do not know; the work is anonymous, although tradition attributes it to Mark…” [Pagels, 1995]
The traditional Church has portrayed the authors as the apostles Mark, Luke, Matthew, & John, but scholars know from critical textural research that there simply occurs no evidence that the gospel authors could have served as the apostles described in the Gospel stories. Yet even today, we hear priests and ministers describing these authors as the actual disciples of Christ. Many Bibles still continue to label the stories as “The Gospel according to St. Matthew,” “St. Mark,” “St. Luke,” St. John.” No apostle would have announced his own sainthood before the Church’s establishment of sainthood. But one need not refer to scholars to determine the lack of evidence for authorship. As an experiment, imagine the Gospels without their titles. See if you can find out from the texts who wrote them; try to find their names.
I realize that came out to more reading then I intended, but if you could get through the first 2 paragraphs you would see where I was going with the rest of my statement.
I guess the Christians couldn’t get through all the big words, but thank you other people who answered. And the chariot wheel at the bottom of the Red Sea, just prove my point. Unless your being sarcastic, then haha very funny mockery.
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jesus the poor man.
That’s the way he wanted it to be. He said “Hearsay evidence you can’t beat it.”
Don’t listen to Rev. Wing Wang Woo Woo, she’s a prevaricator.
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because he never existed.
Religious scholars have no backbone. Otherwise they could not get a job when they graduate from Seminary School. Religion is the biggest cash-cow in the USA.
The emperor has no clothes.
Because there most likely was no actual jesus to write about…
Peace.
If you believe that Jesus never existed and all supposed ‘evidence’ is only hearsay, then there isn’t much much anyone can do to change your mind.
The historical evidence for Jesus is pretty strong. Even Richard Dawkins is happy to acknowledge the existence of the man.
The question of whether he was God is altogether a different matter. But his existence is accepted by the great majority of people, including scholars.
You set a lot of store on the gospel manuscripts being copies. Yes they are, but the oldest are very old indeed. By the same standards you would utterly reject accounts of Caesar’s Gallic Wars, the oldest manuscript describing that is almost a thousand years after they happened. But nobody seriously questions them.
Actually They have found evidents for Jesus and events in the bibe. When moses parted the sea and the egyptians were chasing them and the water washed them away. They have found EVIDENCE of tons of chariots down there.
They also believe they have found noahs ark. Fits the EXACT discription of measurement in the bible.
http://images.google.ca/images?sourceid=navclient&rlz=1T4GZAZ_enCA349CA349&q=chariots%20found%20in%20the%20red%20sea&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi
‘ … the consensus of many biblical historians put the dating of the earliest Gospel…..?
Where do you get that from?
Most of the letters and gospels [Mark and Luke] were written between AD 48 and 68 [F.F.Bruce The New Testament Documents].
Because he didn’t exist. It was invented by human kind that’s all.